Fireside #7
(May 10, 2003)


Stretching toward heaven, majestic Texas Cypress' line the trail at nearby  friends' divine retreat....

(This was our last Fireside before summer's heat arrived.   It was our seventh gathering out here in the Hill Country.  On the night of this gathering, before our study began, a question was raised concerning King James, his Bible, and his religious inclinations.  It was observed that, on record, King James seemed to be a Protestant monarch.  It was argued, however, that his royal lineage and megalomaniac tendencies leaned him more sympathetically toward Roman Catholicism.  Hence our study began on lateral but related ground.  What follows is a summary/paraphrase of the evening of May 10, with related URLs, at the end of this summary. Editor's NOTE added January 2004: After the flood and Gene's heart attack of December 2003, we have not yet reconvened our Firesides, but pray to do so in the future. )

John 1:30-51

(At the opening of our study, a question arises, "...was King James Catholic or Protestant?")

"History records that King James was sympathetic to the Roman Catholic institution, his mother's official religion," I respond.  Others affirm the same. 

"But wasn't he the first of the reformed monarchs?"

"More protestant in form--his mother, Mary Queen of Scots had found it politically advantageous to be Protestant; King James was more Catholic in philosophy, that is he admired the wisdom of centralizing authority, like the Pope. "[1] 

Do any of you know which Bible the pilgrims came here with?  It was not the 1611 King James Version, but the 1560 Geneva Bible--a lesser known translation--by John Calvin and a host of Greek and Latin scholars--from earliest available manuscripts. The Geneva Bible distinguished itself with its copious margin notations--rare insight into the translators' findings. Every chapter was also accompanied by extensive marginal notes and references so thorough and complete that the Geneva Bible is also considered the first "Study Bible". The Geneva Bible was also the first Bible to add verse numbers to the chapters, so that referencing specific passages would be easier.

But some historical accounts demonstrate that King James did favor what such notes implied.  Notes which served to underscore believers' freedom in Christ perhaps proved to too anti-Catholic for the King's divine inclinations.
And constitutionally, James I was also governor of the The Church of England.  But church governor did not wield the same infallible authority as the Pope.

The Geneva Bible was also the first Bible to add verse numbers to the chapters, so that referencing specific passages would be easier. Even King James' aunt, Queen Elizabeth I, had herself commissioned a translation called the "Bishops' Bible". John Wycliff provided the first English translation of the New Testament around 1380-1384. In 1530 (revised 1534), William Tyndale (known as the father of the English Bible)printed his English New Testament, plus the Pentateuch (the first five books of the Old Testament) and the book of Jonah.  Interestingly, in Germany in 1534, Martin Luther had completed printing of his translation of the Old and New Testaments. While the first English translation of the complete Bible was done by Myles Coverdale in 1535, who revised Tyndale's work and translated the rest of the Old Testament from Latin and German versions.
(For a translation time line, go HERE: http://www.greatsite.com/

So why did King James need another version of the Bible to be translated? 

Perhaps it had something to do with his ultimate desire to combine political and religious authority in England.  

A little history--King James I (1566-1625) was King England from 1603-1625, and known as King James VI of Scotland from 1567-1625. He was the son of Mary, Queen of Scots, the Roman Catholic Queen convert to Presbyterianism, forced to abdicate her throne and eventually executed by Elizabeth I of England in 1587 for sedition. As King of Scotland, James was head of the Kirk (Church) of Scotland (then Presbyterian). After the death of the heirless Elizabeth in England (the one who had executed his mother, Mary, Queen of Scots--once Roman Catholic, later "convert" to Scottish Protestantism), he became King James I of England and as such the head of the Church of England (same Church of England today--offshoot of the Roman Catholic Church, also known as the Episcopal Church in America). This is the same King James who so persecuted the Puritans that the separatist Pilgrims, carrying the Geneva Bible, eventually fled to America in 1620.


Simply put, the Geneva Bible with its profuse notations and study helps, made it possible for everyday folks to understand biblical scripture.  Regrettably for organized religion, such footnoting highlighted the sovereign imperative of God (removing necessity of church or human intercession in salvation); illuminating the reality of His "choosing" of "His people", His free gift of grace, and the price for "sin" having been paid on the cross by the death of Christ, resulting in salvation obtainable--though as God's own gift--to those who "turned' (repented) toward Him and trusted the "finished" work on the cross--a gift of eternal life which could not be obtained by mere human effort; aka, "works"... or political appointment.

What a blow such a translation must have James' dealt imperial designs!  A "sovereign personal God" kind of theology could supplant entire tyrannical systems and churches that suggested one must rely on a system of "works" or humanism, encouraged by the church in order to improve one's standing before God  And it certainly threatened existing political and religious systems which claimed the church to be God's own authority concerning such qualifications. And since the church claimed God's authority on earth and as the Pope was the central authority of the Roman church, considered blameless or infallible as such, answerable only to God--Kind James may have desired such power for himself Papal Infallibility was ultimately to be defined by the First Vatican Council of 1870 as:
 "...the dogma that the Pope, when he solemnly defines a matter of faith and morals ex cathedra (that is, officially and as Supreme Pastor of the Universal Church), does not have the possibility of error. " [my emphasis added]

For information on the origin and/or chronology of such concepts, go HERE

The King James translators knew well what they were up against:

"A dedicatory epistle to King James, which also enhanced the completed work, recalled the King's desire that 'there should be one more exact Translation of the Holy Scriptures into the English tongue.' The translators expressed that they were 'poor instruments to make GOD'S holy Truth to be yet more and more known' while at the same time recognizing that 'Popish persons' sought to keep the people 'in ignorance and darkness.' "

                 -- http://www.av1611.org/kjv/kjvhist.html

After all, any translation which illuminated "freedom, liberty, and life in Christ Jesus" (Geneva), could potentially damage a ruler's total control over kingdoms and countrymen (and their wallets) on earth, and for King James and the Church the potential for such liberty from tyrannical oppression proved to be one more filter through which his own divine power might otherwise become diluted, and the Church's spiritual authority destroyed.  Hence, King James ordered HIS translation absent of all sidebar notes previously found in the Geneva translation, except for minimal translational aids re: Greek and Latin.

"But if he truly was a reformed (in the tradition of John Calvin and Luther) Protestant monarch, why would he seek to undermine that translation provided by the very originator of the reformed faith the King himself claimed?" 

I believe it was because he desired to send his translation, and not the copious Geneva Study Bible, to the New World--i.e., Jamestown--lest he lose control of the colonists. With his "new" translation, I think he must have been counting on a "the-church-as-well-the King-are-divinely-appointed-and thus-you-must-obey" outcome, but instead got a translation  based on the SAME Greek and Latin manuscripts the earlier translations had been based upon--the Textus Receptus (Greek manuscripts, already translated by Erasmus and Wycliffe and Calvin et al) and the Latin Vulgate  (the Catholic Church's manuscripts). And this translation bore his own name, thus propelling his legacy as King.

Some examples of wording he and the church could not get around, however, were:

"By grace you have been saved, through faith; and that not of yourselves;
it is the gift of God, not works, lest anyone should boast."--
Ephes. 2:8.9

And probably, Acts 2:21:
" ....Whosoever calleth upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." 

Among others.


By discouraging marginal notations referencing such passages, however, they remained buried in scripture.
One of our visitors comments--"I have a hard time believing this. The King James version of the Bible is the most widely used Bible (in all Protestantism) isn't it?  If James was sympathetic to Catholicism, how do you explain the KJV's popularity?"
Some preferred tools for successful control of masses have always been:
(1) Keeping them ignorant (illiterate) of truth
(2) Keeping them dependent on you for everything (control necessities: food and assurance of salvation)
(3) Externalization of perceived enemies  (over there, no, over there...)

Generally speaking,  we are more knowledgeable of sports scores and top-40 countdowns than our own history or constitution.  The Entertainment Tonight mentality seems to prevail nowadays. We exalt celebrity. We enjoy a high degree of comfort, as well numerous choices today.  We like things our way. Basically, it seems to me that as long as folks can buy beer and watch a ballgame, they can't be bothered with boring stuff like history or the Bible. And we are rewarded for self-centeredness-- "Do what thou wilt." But we can only make the choice--we cannot also choose the consequences of that choice.  If we remain ignorant, the wool can and will be pulled over our eyes concerning our freedom and religion.   Four hundred years ago, citizens had less choices and little comfort.  They were dependent upon the government and the church for everything, but they wanted out from under government's thumb. I think King James certainly saw the value of keeping a nation under His thumb.

For centuries the Roman Catholic Church alleged itself to be the one true church via "apostolic succession."   But there is questionable Biblical scripture to support that. The Roman Catholic Church has fought to prevent "private interpretation" of scripture.  Why?  I think that if people were to actually READ what was contained in it, they might revolt from man-generated doctrines and institutions intent of keeping the faithful ignorant, and, yes, even selling salvation (paid indulgences: a practice mostly imposed on the poor, but still intact today).  By removing most of the older Geneva translation's copious notes and textual explanations while utilizing the same original Greek and Latin manuscripts, King James therefore successfully obliterated the testimony of the prior translators who risked reputation and life to illuminate God's free saving GRACE (Ephesians 2:8,9) -- insured through His gift of faith -- and a salvation insured on a cross long ago by One, in love, so that others might freely have life in Him. 

Hence, the KJV's popularity nowadays, I believe, is not so much a byproduct of its textual accuracy and authenticity, as it is a product of our fondness for the familiar and for Shakespearean form.  By eliminating important study helps, King James kept control of the interpretation scripture with the Pope, the Pope kept control of the church, and men and women everywhere were encouraged to contribute something to their own salvation $$ (and their relatives')! And while the King himself was not an outwardly card-carrying Roman Catholic, he still realized the value of Roman Catholicism's centralization of authority.  He regarded himself England's divinely appointed imperial head (as did the rest of the Stewart/Stuart lineage) by right of bloodline--http://www.2hwy.com/eg/d/drk.htm -- God's anointed authority on earth, as the Pope also claims -- and further, desiring to merge religion with politics in order to acquire  control over parliament and three nations.

I guess the thing that bothers me personally about all of this is that when one looks into King James' aspirations as monarch one finds a good example of leaders throughout history who have tried to stake a claim to tyranny via divine right, or via bloodlines.  But in our past studies we have learned in the verses of chapter 1, right here in the book of John (where we have been studying since last November), we find that one does not become a "child of God" or "offspring of God" via bloodlines, but rather simply by just turning and "receiving Him".  The "Him" one must "receive," according to the apostle John of Zebedee in his letter to the world, has always been the catch, however--He is the incarnate Word, Jesus Christ Himself--both with God and God.  Nowhere does it say salvation comes by way of the church, or that religion is the way to God.  (See John 14:6) We previously learned how the Pharisees (religious leaders, thought to be anointed by God) in Jesus day tried to lay stake to a claim before Him that they were of the lineage of Abraham and thus sanctified by means of bloodlines.

But Jesus refutes any validity to their claim in John, chapter 8, verses 37-59, and also all of John chapter 10.  And Jesus' apostles later attest that His (God's) kingdom is not one inherited by means of bloodlines and birthrights, or through one's perseverance and will (aka, works), but instead through FAITH.  And true faith is, as Paul so eloquently penned in his letter to Ephesus chapter 2, verse 8 and 9, and as John pens here...entirely God's giftNot a privilege earned by blood, not coerced by will or power, nor by any other means as John clearly writes, but it is God's free gift in love, purchased on the cross.  Paid in full, in advance.  This is what some religions and rulers have sought to conceal from everyday people--frankly, there's just not much money to be made and no personal glory to be obtained, telling the story God's way--the simple Truth.

And while we do welcome all questions and issues here at Fireside, especially those pertaining to scripture---such questions really tend to cut into our very limited "study" time depriving us all of the one thing Gene and I are dedicated to sharing----this incredible book; a book still available today--God's love letter to humanity, our very own English versions having been enabled by the sweat, blood, and often horrifically sacrificed lives of men and women throughout the past two thousand years, who have made it their life's work to preserve it for us.  We as comfortable, privileged Americans can not fully appreciate this because we grew up either having one or at least knowing about it.   We have forgotten, or just ignored, the true price of our "free" gift. 

Let us then, before we run out of time this evening, and before this book becomes once again illegal:-), welcome all of you to our Fireside tonight, and let us conclude our study by opening our Bibles to the book of John, chapter one, and beginning with verse 29 (which is the end of our April study) read through verse 51.

John 1:29-31
The next day John (the Baptist) saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! This is the One I meant when I said, ‘A Man who comes after me has surpassed me because He was before me.’ I myself did not know Him, but the reason I came baptizing with water was that He might be revealed to Israel.”

There are only two times the word "Lamb" is used in reference to Jesus Christ in the Bible.  We find that both instances are in letters written by this same alleged author, John, both in his gospel and then later in Revelation. What did the apostle John know? 

That is correct
--that this Man, whom he previously knew only as his cousin Jesus, has now been set apart (word is "sanctified") by God before John as God's chosen Messiah.  Now John knew whom he had been sent to "make straight the way for."  John's baptism of water was for that purpose--to point toward a better baptism.  Water baptism would symbolize the end of the Old Covenant with God's people, Israel.  The Holy Spirit, through Jesus Christ, would bring a New Covenant in resurrection via "the baptism of the Spirit".  Life from death.  Up from the water.  Water to wine. Death into life.  And yet, upon John's profound first proclamation of "Lamb", his disciples do not respond.


John 1:32-34

Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on Him. I would not have known Him, except that the One who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is He who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’ I have seen and I testify that this is the Son of God.”

What do we know about any testimony given 2000 years ago--what was the importance of a testimony vs. just a really interesting story

That's right--it becomes valid in a court of law upon two affirming witnesses. 

Who are John's other witnesses?  God, Himself... the "One who sent me," John the Baptist states.  There's another one...h-m-m-m-m, who could that be?  That's right, John of Zebedee, who is writing this book.  (He will clarify this at the end of his letter/book. )

And what is John the Baptist's "sign" to the Pharisees and Jews (and all of us who are reading this story now) that John the Baptist is merely reflecting the true Light and is not the Light himself? 
That's right--(1) the lesser (water) baptism , and (2) his own self-effacing humility.  John the Baptist speaks of  a better way coming--a better "baptism"; a Newer Covenant.  How is baptism of the Holy Spirit different?   By means of the new, greater baptism, the Lord actually changes one's heart; one's nature.  Water has no power unto itself, it merely washes the outer man.  But Spiritual baptism changes the inner man.  It is more than forgiveness for the sins we've committed, it is life from spiritual death--a spiritual change of heart is a change only God can enable, one through which God opens us to the irrefutable truth of His scriptures, and enables us to live differently--not merely give lip service to get credit for our intentions.  It is a way bigger and better baptism than by water for remission.  Spiritual baptism is also given freely to all who turn to the Lamb of God for salvation.   Sadly, many churches do not want to turn lose of the control of God's ' free gifts (see above).

John 1:35-39
The next day John was there again with two of his disciples. When he saw Jesus passing by, he said, “Look, the Lamb of God!” When the two disciples heard him say this, they followed Jesus. Turning around, Jesus saw them following and asked, “What do you want?” They said, “Rabbi” (which means Teacher), “where are you staying?” “Come,” He replied, “and you will see.” So they went and saw where He was staying, and spent that day with Him. It was about the tenth hour.

This is the second time John references Jesus with the phrase, Lamb of God.  This second time his disciples indeed turn and "follow." This is profound. They follow, no doubt full of questions and without many answers, as Jesus deigns to ask them as He asks us now, "What do you want?"  Some Bibles may translate this as "What do you seek?"

Well, I ask you what or whom do you seek, tonight....

John 1:40-42
Andrew, Simon Peter’s brother, was one of the two who heard what John had said and who had followed Jesus. The first thing Andrew did was to find his brother Simon and tell him, “We have found the Messiah” (that is, the Christ). And he brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, “You are Simon son of John. You will be called Cephas,” (which, when translated [in Aramaic], is Peter).

Here's the account of how the "Good News" was first spread--one family member to another, passing it on.  No speeches, no sermons--just the simple truth, "We have found the Messiah."  Messiah means "Anointed" One--Christos in Greek, Messiah in Hebrew.  Everyone present knew the meaning of the word.  (Remember "Cephas" in Aramaic is the same as "Petros" in Greek--Peter, meaning "little stone or pebble"). 

John 1:43-46
The next day Jesus decided to leave for Galilee. Finding Philip, He said to him, “Follow me.” Philip, like Andrew and Peter, was from the town of Bethsaida. Philip found Nathanael and told him, “We have found the one Moses wrote about in the Law, and about whom the prophets also wrote---Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.” " Nazareth! Can anything good come from there?” Nathanael asked. “Come and see,” said Philip.

In English grammar, when diagramming sentences we begin by designating a subject (noun) and a predicate (verb).  In the sentence "Follow me," we find the subject is an understood noun.  Who or what is the understood subject of this sentence?  That is correct--YOU.  If we put the "you" back into this sentence and repeat it, how does that make the words feel different?  This sentence now feels stronger than an invitation, doesn't it...with the inclusion of the understood YOU, our short sentence now becomes an imperative or a command.  You follow me.  This is not an invitation.  Why?  For example, if I invite you to dinner and you decline, is there typically a penalty?   Will I be mad?  An invitation inherently connotes one's option to decline, doesn't it?  But an imperative or command inherently possesses the prospect of penalty for disobedience.  We ask ourselves, then, are Jesus' words to Andrew and Philip--"(You) Follow Me,"  invitation or imperative.  Yes, He is not asking them. (And, as a former hillbilly from North Carolina and current resident of the Hill Country of Texas, I must make special note of the skeptical comment by Nathanael regarding Nazareth, a town in the Hill Country of Jerusalem....)

John 1:47-51
When Jesus saw Nathanael approaching, He said of him, “Here is a true Israelite, in whom there is nothing false.” "How do you know me?” Nathanael asked. Jesus answered, “I saw you while you were still under the fig tree before Philip called you.” Then Nathanael declared, “Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the King of Israel.” Jesus said, “You believe because I told you I saw you under the fig tree. You shall see greater things than that.” He then added, “I tell you the truth, you shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man.”

We have not discussed why the term Israelite is important.  We will talk about it more in time.  For now, those people defined as "Israelites" were Jesus' "own" people spoken of in John 1, "...He came to His own and His own received Him not...." 

Jesus informs Nathanael of his character.  He speaks of him as a true Israelite, "...in whom there is nothing FALSE".  This is an especially incisive observation.  How could Jesus know Nathanael's inner character?  How could He know anything about him at all--hadn't they had just met?  Jesus speaks of His having "seen" Nathanael "under the fig tree."  What do you suppose Nathanael was doing under the tree--what was the significance the "fig" tree?   It is where one went to pray as  good Israelite, to meditate upon the word of God.  To whom was Nathanael praying?  That is correct: God.  Jesus, who is with God, and IS God, and is also The Word (John1:1)--that Word upon whom/what Nathanael was probably meditating--reveals His knowledge of Nathanael in this most intimate way.   And He also adds that it took evidence before Nathanael moved from a state of prior skepticism, to his confession of faith. 

Jesus is also revealing to the readers through John, His own divinity, as well as His humanity. Jesus uses the phrase Son of Man, connoting His human connection and relationship to us--our kinsman the Hebrews called it--through His own body/flesh. 

Within but this first chapter of John, we have read many additional names and terms for Jesus of Nazareth--the Word, the true Light, the Life, the Lamb of God, the Son of God, God, and the Son of Man, among them.  But what is most important is who you believe He was.  That is the question this beloved apostle and this book, the Bible, causes us to ask ourselves--who was this man, Jesus of Nazareth? 

I believe He is the only One upon whom we can truly depend; He is the immovable, immortal Rock to whom we can cling, upon whose sufficient foundation His "church" was built--not a church made with hands and bricks and bolts, but one without doors--that body of believers around the world--His disciples, those of us who follow Him still.  His sheep.  Those who trust in His sufficiency alone for their eternal lives, and not in the doctrines of men, nor empty promises, nor spiritual IOU's from some religious denomination or organization.

To know the truth, seek to know Jesus Christ--for He is the truth, the way, and the life. 

To Him alone be the power, the glory and the honor, forever.  Amen.

Trust Him.

Amen.

And thus chapter one of the book of John ends.  Let us now gather our belongings and any dessert you might now want, drinks and such, and proceed out to our campfire area to roast marshmallows and join the music!

--Betty

EDITOR'S NOTE: The first English translations of the Bible were enabled, not by King James,  but by Tyndale, Wycliff, and Coverdale in England, with great personal sacrifice for having translated the Word of God into the language of the people--Tyndale himself was hanged and his body burned to discourage such future endeavors. Read more about how King James' translation of the Bible was accomplished--learn about the various manuscripts used to translate our English Bibles today. You can also read about the rest of the Royal House of Stewart (and all its spellings), Merovingians and Carolingians--who they were alleged to be, and how their allegedly "divine" bloodlines have affected history throughout the ages and still influence politics and religion today.  A good place to begin to learn about all of this is your local library, as well as on the internet.  I buy newer books at Half-Price books and older ones at flea markets and shops all over Texas.  Recently I purchased an interesting one on the History of England for a quarter at Literacy Austin's annual Bookfest. [2]

Follows, however, are some internet starting points, FYI:-)


http://www.bloomingtonrpchurch.org/genevanotes/
http://www.bibletexts.com/kjv-tr.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luther_Bible
http://www.greatsite.com/engbibhis/
http://kenanderson.net/bible/html/history.html
http://www.chick.com/ask/articles/erasmus.asp?FROM=biblecenter
http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-history/
http://king-james-version-bible.com/history.html
http://www.royal.gov.uk/HistoryoftheMonarchy/KingsandQueensofEngland/KingsandQueensofEngland.aspx
http://www.royal.gov.uk/HistoryoftheMonarchy/Scottish%20Monarchs(400ad-1603)/TheStewarts/TheStewarts.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Stuart
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/9004088849/002-9020843-6348802?v=glance
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-sum/sum-r005a.html
http://www.bereanbeacon.org/
http://users.stargate.net/~ejt/wc23.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocrypha
http://watch.pair.com/apocrypha.html
http://www.letusreason.org/RC17.htm
http://www.google.com/searchorigin+purgatory
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/a/canon.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_translations



FOOTNOTES:
1.  "History of England," Revised Edition, by W.E. Lunt, Professor of History, Haverford College; Harper & Brothers Publishers, NY, London, 1938; pps. 387-427.
2. ibid.

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